I think part of the problem too is the lack of trust and again, that does kind of stem from culture. I had some challenges with a developer at my organization and we bumped heads a little bit. And so what I did was I actually, I invited the guy out to coffee. Ever since then, everything's been different. There's like this kind of invisible sort of trust and camaraderie now between this man and me. It wasn't like, I'm trying to buy your favor. But I genuinely wanted to get to know him more.

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