podcast is like this top of funnel for the rest of my life. It scratches an itch that i get to meet with really interesting people. And, oh, by the way, i might not go sell hundreds of ads on there and be able to show you a pianel but i can promise you there's revenue showing up in other businesses and things i'm involved with. How much, i don't know. But my guess is over the next years, i'll look back at my life and go, that podcast generated a lot of value. I still own north of 80 % of the business i'm in. M i'm starting to become more like a a brant be shore or

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