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986: What Comes Next? (Eric Ludy + Nathan Johnson)

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Shaking the Desert Sandals

"Even I have been busier in these off seasons than any other time," says Eller. "It's an off season from having students here. It's not an off-season from doing things." The lake house is being remodeled, including a hearth that used to be on the front of it.

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