I think that a distinction needs to be made here, because i actually think that what i'm saying is that that libertarian could have done otherwise freedom is a rare thought to even have. I think that sometimes when you tell people that the world is nothing but atoms in motion, that they then figure and maybe this is an obvos point, after all, a that there is no such thing as agency or free will. But let's just say that there are philosophers who do think that this ought to change, this belief ought to change our legal system. And soe. Now, not just philosophers. A and i think e just more easy going about our own so those people are optim