Yeah, I was just going to say it's just the world. And the mind

is

part

of it. Because all of it is happening within that shared context of the world, and because the world

has

a character, all of the information within that world that has emerged within that world is about that world, to the extent that whatever universal laws or regularities or attributes of the world, whatever those things are, they condition the process, all processes that happen within it. So including emergence of adapted information or knowledge. In other words, the gene that says, that doesn't code the semantic information, but that has the effect in which can thereby be described as an instruction for the effect to dilate the pupils. That gene is about the sun in a sense, even though it doesn't refer to the sun in any kind of

semantic way. Because it's cooperating with the actual physical pattern of the world that includes the sun and whatever the sun's effects are on the gene. Right,

although all of that could be represented in a different physical form. Yeah, sure. But the thing is, if it's about the sun, and if it's about pupils, and if it's

about

replication, and because again, all of these things are part of the good explanation of why that gene has the pattern that it has. If it's about all of those things, and all of those things are part of the world, not as things, but just in so far as they appear in our explanation, whatever they are, they don't have to be sharp objects or categories or properties and relationships. We can refer to things for our own context and purposes and treat them as things without slipping into the mistake of thinking that we're mirroring reality and that its object, that its ontology matches the one we're using. No matter how we carve up the world for whatever purposes we have, it's in the world that we're doing that. So the universal regularities of that world, the attributes subjectively of that world are also implicitly referenced by any account or by any adaptations that knowledge encode. So like I said, I find it very difficult to express this point, and I feel like I'm not doing it well, but the basic answer is that reality, whatever it is, is where all this is happening. The nature of reality, whatever it is, is constraining all of this. So any adapted information that exists within reality and is adapted to conditions that also exists within that same reality, the information is about objective reality in the same sense that it's about the selective pressures to which it evolved in a more local sense. Those are the environment locally and the world overall are imposing constraints that contribute to the emergent pattern of our information. And any good explanation of the pattern tells you something about the constraints that conditioned its evolution.