Surveillance State, Inside China's Quest for a New Era of Social Control

Do you think ultimately this will be a win for the Chinese surveillance state in that they tighten the infrastructure and make it stronger? That is the big question. And it's one I think it's really hard to answer, partly because we're just in uncharted territory. But as you said earlier, the outcome here might be an easing of this zero COVID policy in China,. An easing of restrictions like we've seen in countless other countries around the world.