Jason: My personal life is interesting to my team because they feel like I focus so much on design and writing and speaking and blogging. So they've been kind of working on this design challenge with me as the problem per se, and they're trying to find hobbies for me. Andy: In my free time aside from spending time with my wife and we just adopted two, two hours, we it's our third dog actually. Jason: Chihuahua's are interesting canine creatures, aren't they? That's so cool, man. You are an interesting guy Andy. Welcome to user defenders.