i interviewed the former president of ireland, mary macelle's machine. How do you approach a conversation like that with someone is either going to do harm to themselves or others, or both? i found out something i didn't know about rick haythorn thwaite, whom people outside of footsy 100 business circles probably haven't heard of. And lorraine kelly was interestind because she's the most conversational among daytime t v presenters who are involved in mid morning chat sho type thing.

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