Shrestha: We have to go, all right, what's the really the end goal that we're looking for? And how do we chunk those pieces out and basically give yourselves sprints? The easiest way to think about it is if if you've ever heard of scrum, it's a different it's a way of productivity. Shuris: It's not a zero or 100 kind of game. It's more about how do we take one step forward.