You Shouldn't Look at People as the Problem

In the last 20 so years, though, we've had a big decline in families having four kids, three kids and that on trate oas. All these guys are getting married later, they're having kids later, and that also affects more people getting into the outdoors. So it's just, ah, the original point i'm trying to make is you shouldn't look at people as necessarily the problem," he says.

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