i think there are also some really good examples in the thread that you can find of people expressing what ginal practice is like for them, or how they experience it. But moving on, i think there is another thread of questioning that i found to be really interesting around the fitting in imaginabl practices with kind of more traditional buddhists orientations to the path. So specifically, where do imaginale practices fit into the three trainings of buddhism? The three trainings, for listeners who are unaware, are, i believe, mora ity, concentration and insight. I think is have ther typically, or how i've heard them translated. Maybe rob you have a different