Psychodelics have played a big role in that initiation process. They've been used forever as a means of transforming the perception of reality, which they do in a manner that is beyond comprehension. I don't think we understand them at all. It really is too bad that we don't have the social functioning or mechanisms or structure to actually facilitate these experiences. There are people experimenting now under controlled conditions. Mean, they're doing it at john's hopkins. With silis ibon, they showed that people who had a mystical experience with silis iban showed pronounced personality changes one year later. And they also used them to help people quit smoking with about an 80 % success rate