Jim talks with Trent McConaghy and Ben Goertzel about the merger of Ben's SingularityNET AGIX token, Trent's Ocean Protocol, and Fetch. They discuss the relative size of the merger, motivations for pulling together the three networks, distinguishing this from a standard corporate merger, how the communities of the projects reacted, leveraging the benefits of scale, changing the ticker symbol, defining AGI vs ASI, forecasts on AGI, considering the arc of self-driving cars, data bottlenecks, the likely shape of superintelligence, what the 3 organizations do, autonomous economic agents, AI creativity, the amount of work happening on crypto networks, the antifragility of crypto, why AGI/ASI emerging from these networks might be plausible, making something work without understanding it, and much more. Episode Transcript JRS EP217 Ben Goertzel on a New Framework for AGI JRS EP211 Ben Goertzel on Generative AI vs. AGI Currents 072: Ben Goertzel on Viable Paths to True AGI JRS EP3 Dr. Ben Goertzel – OpenCog, AGI and SingularityNET JRS EP 22 Trent McConaghy on AI & Brain-Computer Interface Accelerationism (bci/acc) "Is It Worth Being Wise?" by Paul Graham "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Data," Google Research Dr. Ben Goertzel is a cross-disciplinary scientist, entrepreneur and author.  Born in Brazil to American parents, in 2020 after a long stretch living in Hong Kong he relocated his primary base of operations to a rural island near Seattle. He leads the SingularityNET Foundation, the OpenCog Foundation, and the AGI Society which runs the annual Artificial General Intelligence conference. Dr. Goertzel’s research work encompasses multiple areas including artificial general intelligence, natural language processing, cognitive science, machine learning, computational finance, bioinformatics, virtual worlds, gaming, parapsychology, theoretical physics and more. Trent McConaghy is founder of Ocean Protocol. He has 25 years of deep tech experience with a focus on AI and blockchain. He co-founded Analog Design automation Inc. in 1999, which built AI-powered tools for creative circuit design. It was acquired by Synopsys in 2004. He co-founded Solido Design Automation in 2004, using AI to mitigate process variation and help drive Moore’s Law. Solido was later acquired by Siemens. He then went on to launch ascribe in 2013 for NFTs on Bitcoin, then Ocean Protocol in 2017 for decentralized data markets for AI. He currently focuses on Ocean Predictoor for crowd-sourced AI prediction feeds.