I want to talk about the problems with the framing of an epidemic you write about. What are the forces that drive this narrative? Is it just inherited cultural contagions or is there maybe more condof material or kind of capitalist interest in reinforcing this frameworkye, it's a really good question. I mean, my own work is really about the historic idiology, how it's alive to day. And i think we have to always be following that, because that's these deep seated ideas about who is an acceptable person.

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