"I understand something of the anarchist because I understand the rebellion against order," he says. "You start to understand something of both, you know, a funny, let me give you a totally different reference that I haven't talked about very much or whatever" In magic gathering, white is like law and order, blue is knowledge, black is selfishness, but also capitalism, independence, etc. Red is chaos, passion, fire, and green is like nature and harmony and what have you. 'It's good when it's channeled. It's bad if it's not there'

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