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Chuck Todd begins with newly released data showing an economic slowdown and why it could potentially spell doom for Trump’s presidency. He compares it to Biden’s chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, an event that permanently eroded Biden’s public support, and predicts that Trump’s presidency could end in major economic hardship.

Then, political journalist Ron Fournier joins Chuck to explain why Michigan has emerged as America's ultimate political bellwether, driven by a populace that feels deeply let down by traditional politics and is hungry for alternatives to the two-party system. Fournier highlights Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan's potential independent gubernatorial run as a test case for whether effective local governance can translate into statewide success, noting that even Trump voters are giving Duggan serious consideration due to his impressive record revitalizing Detroit's brand and economy. The conversation explores Michigan's uniquely competitive political landscape, featuring three viable gubernatorial candidates and the strategic advantages of running against the political duopoly in an era where voters are increasingly dissatisfied with the status quo.

The discussion delves into the broader implications for both parties, including whether Governor Gretchen Whitmer damaged her standing with the Democratic base by being cordial to Trump, and whether Democrats have lost by enough to engage in meaningful soul-searching or if they'll remain trapped in a cycle of swing elections that prevent real reform. They examine rising political stars like Abdul El-Sayed and Mallory McMorrow, the possibility of Elissa Slotkin mounting a presidential campaign, and how Michigan's labor unions could shape future political outcomes. They also address the crisis facing journalism, from the collapse of traditional business models to the disconnect between national media and local communities, while celebrating Detroit's remarkable transformation through sports venues and urban development that mirrors the city's broader political and economic renaissance.

Finally, he answers listeners’ questions in the “Ask Chuck” segment!

Timeline:

00:00 Introduction

03:30 Voters say they want independent candidates but don’t vote for them

05:30 Michigan Democratic senate primary overview

06:45 Do new troubles spell the beginning of the end for Trump?

08:30 Bad economy could be Trump’s “Afghanistan withdrawal”

11:45 Trump can’t “outspin” a bad reality 

14:45 Voters wanted the Trump 1.0 economy, not the current one

16:00 Presidents preside over the prior president’s economy

18:15 Trump’s tariff authority could be overturned in court

20:00 Data shows a slowing economy

25:00 Politicizing health agencies and the fed are terrible ideas

27:15 Trump has turned the GOP into a kleptocratic party

29:00 Trump’s parallels with Nixon

31:00 Fractures in GOP over trade policy?

33:00 Protectionism doesn’t work in the modern economy

35:00 Trump’s presidency will end in economic hardship

36:45 Ron Fournier joins the Chuck ToddCast! 

37:45 Michigan will be the bellwether for American politics 

39:15 What makes Michigan the bellwether? 

40:45 The people of Michigan feel let down by politics 

42:15 Can Mike Duggan break through as an independent? 

43:15 Trump voters are taking a serious look at Duggan 

45:15 Duggan's effective record in Detroit means he could win 

47:00 Detroit's brand has made a comeback 

50:00 Michigan has three viable, qualified candidates for governor 

52:00 Running against the duopoly is a strong strategy for Duggan 

54:45 Is there a case to be made against Gretchen Witmer? 

56:30 It's tough for Benson to run against Whitmer now, that could change 

58:30 You have to run against the status quo in American politics 

59:45 Whitmer hurt her standing with the base by being cordial to Trump 

1:01:45 Whitmer may not want to run for president 

1:03:15 Have the Democrats lost by enough to do any real soul searching? 

1:06:00 We're stuck in a cycle of swing elections that prevent real reform 

1:07:30 Democrats all trying to model themselves after Beshear and Shapiro 

1:09:15 Abdul El-Sayed is a candidate to watch 

1:10:45 Mallory McMorrow's prospects? 

1:12:15 Will Michigan Republicans face tough primary races? 

1:13:15 Elissa Slotkin gearing up to run for president? 

1:15:45 If Duggan wins in Michigan, would his next move be a presidential run? 

1:18:30 The vast majority of the public is dissatisfied with our current politics 

1:20:00 Shocking but not surprising that media bosses aren't standing up for journalists? 1:22:15 The business model for news has been upended 

1:24:45 Journalists need to provide a valuable service in order to build trust 

1:27:45 Major news networks need local affiliate connection 

1:29:15 "All the President's Men" created a disconnect for journalists 

1:32:00 Feeling good about the Detroit Lions? 

1:33:30 Stadiums transformed downtown Detroit 

1:35:15 Which labor union will make the difference politically in Michigan?

1:38:15 Chuck's thoughts on interview with Ron Fournier 

1:38:45 More humiliation for the Washington Nationals 

1:42:15 Nats ownership is completely incompetent 

1:45:00 Advice for recent grads in a tough economy? 

1:49:45 What 5 amendments would you make to the constitution? 

1:54:30 Where is the public outcry over the gerrymandering battle?