Pastors Are There to Equip Them for Ministry

"i think it's helpful for us to take less of a top down, hierarchical approach right to church," she says. "I'm not the type of pastor that's like, woe is me... i know what i signed up for." She urges people who are struggling with shame and depression to confront their issues in congregational or individual therapy. 'If we can't confront it ourselves, or if there's only a little bit maybe we haven't seen, need to pray about us getting this out'