Kathi heldo: What we really need to do is find a sense of purpose in our lives. We don't want to be ave victim energy when i have heroic energy, says cathy heller. The next piece of advice in the plan of action is, don't take the jump,. Make the runway. And finally, and instad the little bit of advice i added into the conversation with kathy, i talked abou being delusionly optimistic.

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