#80 Meet the Scientist Creating The Mathematics Of Consciousness
The Giants Shoulder
Can current LLMs be conscious?
Johannes says public claims are harmful; the field largely deems present LLMs very unlikely to be conscious.
Black Friday Sale: Get 15% OFF + Free Kit Manta Masks for limited time: https://mantasleep.pxf.io/9LXagy and Code GIANTSMANTA10Dr. Johannes Kleiner is a mathematician, physicist, and one of the leading architects of mathematical consciousness science — an emerging field attempting to describe subjective experience with the same rigour that physics brings to space, time, and matter.He studies the deep structure of awareness itself, from the geometry of colour and time to the dynamics of minimal experience, and is helping rebuild major theories like Integrated Information Theory and the Free Energy Principle on clearer mathematical foundations.Expect to learn why experience can be treated as a structured space, how meditation reveals the building blocks of consciousness, why today’s AI systems almost certainly aren’t conscious, how quantum theories both illuminate and confuse the debate, what a “no-go theorem” means for artificial minds, and why the future of consciousness science may depend on mapping the shape of experience rather than its location in the brain.Timestamps: 00:00 Why Consciousness Needs Mathematics02:12 Descartes’ Coordinates and Mapping the Mind05:10 What Phenomenology Really Studies07:40 The Geometry of Experience: Is Mind a Structure?10:25 Colour Spaces and the Mathematics of Seeing13:18 “What Is It Like to Be a Bat?” — Explained15:42 Meditation and Minimal Experience18:58 Sensory Expansion and New Human Senses24:55 The Big Problems in Consciousness Science Today27:11 Rebuilding Integrated Information Theory33:39 Predictive Processing in Plain English40:02 The Free Energy Principle: Why Brains Predict Everything49:24 Emergence: How Complex Systems Create Mind52:01 Will Mathematics Become the Next Microscope for Consciousness?54:46 Quantum Theories of Mind: Penrose, Hameroff, and the Debate01:03:59 Why Today’s AI Is Almost Certainly Not Conscious01:13:13 The No-Go Theorem: Why Silicone-Based AI Can’t Feel01:23:05 What Makes a System “Alive” or “Aware”?01:26:25 Neuromorphic Hardware and Future Conscious Machines01:32:32 Does Consciousness Force a New View of Reality?...❤️ Subscribe to our main channel - https://www.youtube.com/@thegiantsshoulder?sub_confirmation=1💚 Follow on Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/5m3Gta5MtIYdk59pb2GJ7M?si=Ka2rAQv7TyqiC9wvGwERpA💜 Follow on Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/the-giants-shoulder/id1752486249Download my FREE EBook 26 Neuroscience Books for 2026 HERE: https://thegiantsshoulder.com/
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