Empathy in the Shadows of Human Smuggling

Each weekend on Best Of The Gist, we listen back to an archival Gist segment from the past, then we replay something from the past week. This weekend, we’re listening back to Mike’s interview with UCLA professor and MacArthur Genius grant recipient Jason De Leon to discuss his book, Soldiers and Kings: Survival and Hope in the World of Human Smuggling. Since the interview aired, back in May of this year, Jason has gone on to add another distinction to his resume—he won the National Book Award for Non-Fiction. Then we listen to this past Monday’s Spiel, in which Mike challenges the idea that Kamala ran out of time to be President. 

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