I just hope people can start to understand that the smoke and mirrors of blue rolls, pink rolls, the smoking mirrors of who's the most important has to be melted away. And I had Stefan speaks here on the podcast a couple weeks ago and he was basically saying like, I have to ask you about your experience of Red Table Talk. What was a pain point? The pain point was men leading in relationships and more specifically a man getting the final say so in a relationship. So it was a lot of dad and just, you know, there was pushback on the idea of masculine and feminine,. But again, my argument is it's just, it's what it is. You know

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