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This month marks ten years of the long form podgast ho, any feelings, an any reactions? You? Gus, like always, i've no feelings of any kind. Feelings free over here. Aron, i thought you said we weren't gong to make a big deal about 500. It was a fake out. I wanted to get you back on your heels. This season it's all about new achievements in neuro science opening up the door to new ways of treating trama, depression and pain. Season three of the world as you'll know it is out right now,. subscribe wherever you're listening to this show, which starts right now.

Caitlin Dickerson is a staff writer for The Atlantic covering immigration. Her latest article, on the secret history of U.S. government’s family-separation policy, is ”An American Catastrophe.”

“Interviewing separated families, I’ve found, is just on a whole other scale of pain and trauma. I’ve watched people have really intense PTSD flashbacks in front of me. I never wanted to risk asking a family to open up in that way if I didn’t know that I’d be able to use that material. The worst thing you can do is waste someone’s time in a way that causes them pain.”

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