Michael: What are the basics really? I still struggle with because I look around on Twitter, everyone smarter than me is talking about this stuff. He says if you're a two-person startup that doesn't even yet have a business build something simple and worry about zero downtime later. Michael: You need a master doctors and Kubernetes, probably not. Can you run on your computer? Yes. Then start there. We'll worry about Docker like once you get something working, maybe we'll put it in a container, but now don't worry about that. Now get started.