Navigating Sacrifice and the Fear of Abandonment

In this episode Toby sits down for a part 2 with Jason Butler! Thay chat about the new album, mental health, depression, acting out, trauma, the body, integrity, ayahuasca, his children saving his life, producers, ego and sense of self, undeserved fame, different generations, life after tour, the music biz, takers and fakers, ego, things getting in the way of the art, journaling, phone overstimulation and burnout. 

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