say we're um We're in the layer of a torturer And the torturer is like has their victim in front of them And the torturer is like i'm really great at torturing And i've really worked out this whole approach And so i'm going to tell you how to do it how to torture this person And i'm just gonna i have a lot of like fine grained information So like your tour you know what you do is going to go more smoothly Yeah, if you go along with what i said because i know how to torture Right And then the thought is like it's right so so that would be a way of it would go more smoothly But you might say yeah, but that's not anything that smoothly is not a value It's not a plus it's not a positive in this case when you're torturing the person When your parents give you advice You um I mean unless you like don't think your parents are good which some people you know And then they would just dismiss it You think your you and your parents share a conception of the good and of what's valuable And so what is achieved smoothly is a good thing Um, but if we're not going to presuppose that with god then you have no more reason to do uh, what's smoothly Uh achieves god's purposes than what smoothly achieves the torturous purposes And

We might ask what reason do you have to think that you share your Parents concept of what's good. I mean

sure that's some people don't and it's a totally reasonable question But my point is if you didn't think you did you would ignore their advice you wouldn't

take it i'm completely agreeing with you considerations I agree with you. I don't i'm I didn't mean for the smoothness comment to be you know pointing some huge Resolution of things, but it's at least a thing you could say we're struggling

you need to find anything You just think it's a consideration in favor.