Can you have pure other oriented perfectionism without actually feeling the effects of it your own internally? Really good question. Don't touch on this in the book actually, but let's go into it because it is a very, very interesting question. So what we tend to see is those who've got high levels of perfectionism, self oriented perfectionism, fused with or combined with another type of perfectionism called narcissism. And that can have negative consequences for their social relationships and mental health.

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