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The Rise of Secularism and Religion
There's a lot to unpack there, and I just have like all of these follow up questions that lead in different directions. And I'm not sure which to ask first but let me ask what I hope is a short and kind of clarifying point. So when you talk about religion in this way, and the rise of secularism as something we shouldn't necessarily be excited about, and you talk about the empty churches. Right. Does religion in the positive sense that you mean it need or entail institutions? Because what we've seen in the US is a radical decline and say church attendance like the church as people's. That's the way that they express their religious faith or connect to