When Civil Servants Should Resign

Former intelligence officer and Democratic senate candidate from Kentucky Joel Willett joins Chuck Todd for a wide-ranging and deeply personal conversation — from his post-9/11 path into military service to the experiences that pushed him toward the Democratic Party. They highlight the  parallels between his own story and JD Vance’s, offering candid thoughts on Hillbilly Elegy and how addiction, inequality, and disillusionment shape modern politics. He argues that the fentanyl crisis can’t be solved by policing supply alone — the real solution lies in investing in treatment, healthcare access, and rebuilding opportunity in communities like his home state of Kentucky.

The conversation turns sharp as Willett critiques senate Democrats’ handling of the recent shutdown deal, calling it a “betrayal of the public,” and weighs in on the Democrats’ leadership struggles, the GOP’s subservience to Trump, and the erosion of national security norms. From the dangers of AI-era inequality to the growing politicization of the intelligence community, Willett warns that without courage and reform, even the institutions built to protect democracy could falter.

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Timeline:

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00:00 Joel Willett joins the Chuck ToddCast

02:00 Joel’s origin story

03:15 9/11 was what led Joel to join the armed services

05:00 Experiences in the military led him to join the Democratic party

07:00 Parallels between Joel’s origin story and JD Vance’s

08:00 Thoughts on Hillbilly Elegy?

09:45 It’s hard to square the JD Vance of 2016 vs Vance now

10:30 Politicians haven’t been able to address the fentanyl crisis

11:45 The conversation is only focused on supply side of overdose crisis

13:45 Investment needs to be made in treatment, not incarceration

15:45 It’s too tough to get access to quality rehab resources

17:30 You never get over the loss of a parent

18:15 Kentucky needs more healthcare facilities writ large

19:15 Administration has shown they don’t care about healthcare access

21:30 How should the government be thinking about future jobs in AI era?

23:30 AI is not the panacea that many think it is

25:15 Fascism grows in the fertile fields of inequality

26:30 Tax policy needs to address historic inequality 

27:30 Capital gains should be taxed at least at the same rate as labor

29:45 Most people receiving benefits work or want to work

31:00 The system has been bought and paid for by entrenched interests

32:45 Why did Andy Beshear win and Amy McGrath lose?

34:30 Andy Beshear willing to speak his truth and show up

35:00 How would Joel try to win over Trump voters?

38:00 Shutdown deal struck by Democrats was a betrayal of the public

40:00 The shutdown fight isn’t technically over

41:45 8 Democrats who voted yes aren’t running for reelection in ‘26

42:30 ACA subsidies may actually get Republican votes in January

43:15 Republicans will do whatever Trump says to

44:45 Without a healthcare deal, Dems should shutdown govt in January

46:00 Should Chuck Schumer resign as senate minority leader?

47:15 Thoughts on Rand Paul and his distancing himself from Trumpworld?

49:00 Republicans aren’t governing for the entire country

51:15 Threats are being made to a free and fair election in ‘26

53:00 The state of the American intelligence community?

55:00 Joel’s security clearance revoked for saying mean things about Trump

55:45 Right wing Twitter is influencing the intelligence community

57:45 The military isn’t going to save America from authoritarian takeover

58:45 Resignation of head of southern command is a big deal

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