Defining the Deep Web versus the Dark Web

A Note from James

Oh my gosh—I was scared after this one. In this episode, I learned about what’s really on the dark web… and the even scarier stuff on what’s called the deep web.

Eric O’Neill—who, by the way, is the former FBI agent who brought down Robert Hanssen, the biggest double agent in U.S. history—joined me for this conversation. Hanssen was the FBI’s top analyst on the Soviet Union, and at the same time, he was secretly working for the Soviet Union—for twenty-two years. Eric was the one who caught him. There was even a movie made about it—Breach (2007).

Now Eric has written a book called Spies, Lies, and Cybercrime: Cybersecurity Tactics to Outsmart Hackers and Disarm Scammers. And honestly, it’s terrifying what’s out there right now—the dark web, the black markets, the cyberattacks, the scams that most of us have no idea are happening in the background of our digital lives.

I’ll let Eric tell the stories.

Episode Description

In this episode, James talks with Eric O’Neill—former FBI counterintelligence operative and the man who captured the most notorious spy in U.S. history—about the unseen cyber battlefield shaping our world today. O’Neill explains how hackers, state actors, and scammers exploit human psychology far more than technology, and why every one of us is a potential target.

From the lessons of his undercover work tracking Robert Hanssen to the rise of ransomware and AI-assisted phishing, O’Neill offers both a chilling reality check and a practical guide for staying safe in the digital age. He and James break down how modern espionage has moved online—and what ordinary people can do to protect themselves before it’s too late.

What You’ll Learn

• How Eric O’Neill captured Robert Hanssen, the most damaging spy in FBI history
• Why modern cybercrime depends more on human manipulation than hacking code
• What really happens on the dark web and how it fuels global criminal networks
• How AI is changing the speed and sophistication of digital attacks
• Simple but critical steps you can take right now to protect your data and identity

Timestamped Chapters

• [00:00] Introduction — James sets the stage for a chilling conversation
• [02:15] Who is Eric O’Neill? The story behind capturing Robert Hanssen
• [07:45] The day Hanssen was caught — inside the FBI sting
• [13:10] From spycraft to cybercrime — how espionage went digital
• [17:30] The real difference between the dark web and the deep web
• [22:00] Why hackers target people, not systems
• [27:40] Social engineering and the psychology of manipulation
• [32:15] AI and the next generation of scams
• [37:55] How to recognize phishing and digital traps
• [44:20] Why cybersecurity starts with self-awareness
• [49:10] Lessons from the field — how espionage teaches us to think critically
• [54:05] The future of cyber warfare and personal protection
• [59:00] Final thoughts — the cost of complacency

Additional Resources

• Eric O’Neill – Spies, Lies, and Cybercrime: Cybersecurity Tactics to Outsmart Hackers and Disarm Scammers
• Eric O’Neill – Gray Day: My Undercover Mission to Expose America’s First Cyber Spy
• Film: Breach (2007) – starring Ryan Phillippe and Chris Cooper
• FBI Official Case Summary – Robert Hanssen Espionage Case
• Eric O’Neill Official Website

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