Laddis: The first step when it comes to messaging and positioning, especially for an early stage marketer, is to just partner with the founder. Lattice started as like an OKR and goals company. When I joined, that's what it was. And if you look at the first tech crunch article about Lattice, it's like slay squad goals or some ridiculous headline like that. But Jack started talking with customers and realized that like goals are interesting. So in some ways, the evolution for Lattice's messaging in the early days when you get into the full story is Lattice still is in the goals world today.

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