Christenam: Resilience is a huge part of that, and something that you write about and you speak about. I love that frame as seeing change making as a practice rather than an outcome. And especially this here, i have to imagine m even in the best of times, there is the opportunity for burn out. There's the opportunity for vicarious trama when you are in service of organizations and and people who are enduring trama on a daily basis. That developing your own practices to be ok, to be resilient, to whether constant struggle, to a certain extent, has got to be so critical to your ability,. Not just to sustain the organization, but just personally,

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