The Changes in the Official Public Conversation in Sweden

There is a big disconnect between the power and the people in that sense, what people really want. It's almost like something's changed in the past few years, that the official public conversation is more sanitized or something. If there would have been discussion in this country before Sweden joining or deciding to apply for the NATO, it would have come out how we can prepare ourselves not to be blackmailed by Turkey nor Hungary. Those kind of things which I think needed some real discussions would have been good.