"I think we just are, we're held to higher standards. And there's almost a sense that like, particularly if you are not going to have a family, that that must be because you've decided to focus in your career and become the very best of whatever you do," she says. "You don't have to be the CEO or write a book or win a Nobel Prize. You can just be a person."
We're coming back off break to offer our opinions on the most formative Sentimental Garbage there is, Barbie. Caroline and Jen talk about their early memories of Barb, Greta Gerwig's new movie, the hunk-to-hero trajectory and the ascendancy of Ryan Silly Gooseling.
The Rachel Incident by Caroline O'Donoghue is available everywhere now. Jen Cownie's Wild Card: Let The Tarot Tell Your Story is everywhere too.
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