Mass Moser: Do you think Alcibi D's would have turned out any differently if a stoic, like epic teetis who focused more on self discipline arguably had been his tutor rather than Socrates? He says the evidence seems to be that character is formed and part of it is probably innate. Mass Moser: It almost never works when a philosopher tries to teach an individual who has no inclination to work hard for their own good. And so I suspect that Alcy Bayes was already sufficiently set that not even a big tidders would have been able necessarily to to alter things.

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