"I made it an exercise every day, how most people make an exercise to do 10 outreaches in the morning or 10 cold calls. I made it an activity where I was going to push myself to touch her every single day," he says. "If I'm good and she's bad, I can help her be good just through my emotional emotional well being with her" He adds: "It creates this kind of like feedback loop in a way, you know? So is that the same for you?"

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