The Goal Isn't to Do Away With Hierarchies

The goal is not necessarily to completely do away with hierarchies. It's not a kind of anarchist like flattening of all difference, but to allow for the hierarchies to emerge in ways that serve the movement. i think sunrise has tefolks who outstart it, been part of the left enough to know that that doesn't work rightly. If you don't create a welcoming space for people, that folks actually want to be a part of, then they'll go home because there's a million other things that they could do, and the stuff is really hard. I have been hearing a lot of people recently talking about systems changed, but talking about it in this way of like making