"You guys have to, you have to adapt the way things are now to what things are like. Do we see big piles of books being burned? No. But the same shet is happening with the censorship and the removal of information," he says. "If an australian citizen refuses to unlock their phone for the authorities, now it's ten years in prison." 'The elderly people really are afraid if they go outside, they will get the vires nd tey will die'

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