DevOps and Product Development - What Are the Tools?

A lot of our users, everyone like at some point, the entire purpose of these systems is to prove side effects. So I think they also appreciate when they are able to structure their code so that it feels more purist ways. They're not used to that. The best teams we work with really do get it. There's definitely a certain level of Stockholm syndrome and data still about "we can't do that because this is different" And you have to be able to convince people that it's worth doing in an instant.