In this episode of The Engineering Room, Dave Farley talks with with Gene Kim, the bestselling author of "The Phoenix Project," "The Unicorn Project," and "Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps." They discuss the controversial topic of "Vibe Coding," a concept Gene explored in his recent collaboration with Steve Yegge. While Dave initially described Vibe Coding as "one of the worst ideas of 2025," this conversation unpacks whether AI actually represents a fundamental shift in how we build software.

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