Climate Emergency

The cost advantages of going green are going to get bigger and bigger. It's like a sort of ski slope situation where you really go down very sharply in terms of emissions because suddenly countries all around the world are taking up these renewables. So I think there are real reasons for hope here. This is good. Listen to this and feel profoundly bummed out sort of podcast, which has been one of the most upbeat podcasts I've hosted so far. John: Do you foresee a time in the future where you and people like Emma will get on better and perhaps that sort of deep fracture within the climate movement broadly speaking is sort of healed? Gabby: We dream the same dream as we want