In the global south, there is a desire to have some of the things that people in the west have already had. I've had conversations with people saying, you know, we do want two cars. And i'm just remembering a conversation i had with a woman called jamuna,. She was in the coal belt in arissa, in the eastern part of the country, and she said she doesn't have electricity. But she wants electricity. So those women that you are talking to are absolutely entitled. The poverty that you see in the global south is the result of what the global north has done. There's nothing natural about the state of affairs we've got in the world to day.

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