This guy's you know, there's there's just so much constant information that it doesn't require the same creativity that it used

to you know no

not at all he's just responding to somebody oh the media always has it spend some time in there right

yeah and like you know for for like what you're what you're describing like back these sports talk shows would be like we're getting word from trainers that right you know here's a situation with an ankle or whatever yeah now it's just like some asshole said yeah with a like no picture on twitter and an anonymous person some asshole yeah what does this have to do with the ankle it's

not even fun to do like twitter handle at blank blank blank 69 420 anymore it sucks they are they're just everywhere Boo.

Yeah. Boo.

Boo.

Yeah. Come on.

I say boo to the Twitter.

So Roger is back on because Trump called Alex and, you know, you got to keep doing it. And the JFK files are going to come out any day now. Sure. So Roger has some excuses for why the JFK files aren't out yet.

Last night,

you did an emergency broadcast from me that's gotten tens of millions of views. Thanks, listeners, for watching out of the Alex Jones Network Studios. And you were very clear that Trump told you five years ago at the first declassification of 80 percent and then the new one he signed last week that has 15 days for them to develop the plan under law to release. quote seal the fate of the cia and the deep state that we're still fighting basically the grandkids of and that trump said to you it is just so horrible that he didn't release the first time and you and then went on cia involvement and i love most solicitors know you're good friends with Trump and all the rest of it. And Trump's even made some of those statements public. They said, what's the source? It's the president. But then you got a call and other folks. And we got, you know, without getting into all that, it's ridiculous for the idea that we would be saying something, you would be saying something when you're a known confidant of Trump and it would be something that we were just making up. But, Roger, recap all the history, and then what you're expecting and what you've heard, which is obviously classified, so you can just give your stals of it, about what is about to come out and why they're so scared. Well,

Alex, I think you've got it exactly right. Back in the late 90s, a law was passed that mandated the release of all the declassification of all the materials pertaining to JFK's assassination. The date they set fell early in Donald Trump's first term in 2017. And I brought it to his attention in a phone conversation. I said, you know, this is coming up. What are you going to do? He wasn't aware of the deadline, but he said he checked into it. Then he got back to me and he said, you're right. This is all set to happen. What do you think I should do? My recommendation was to release it all. It had been more than 50 years. There's nobody involved who is still alive, by and large. And if elements of the government were involved in the murder of an American president, well, the American people should know that. So he told me he was going to think about it. And I got the strong impression he was going to release everything. And then he released about 80 percent of it. Now, we found out some very significant things what he did release. For example, the KGB had run their own investigation. They had determined that there was a conspiracy, a plot, and that Lyndon Johnson was the centerpiece of it. The French intelligence had also run their own investigation, come up with the same conclusion. But then ultimately he released about 80 percent of it, held back about 20. And when I asked him why he did that, he told me that Mike Pompeo, then the head of the CIA, had convinced him that it was too explosive and it would expose the agency's methods and sources. So then I said, well, but you've seen it all. What is it? And he said, it's so terrible, I can't tell you. I just can't tell you, but someday you'll know.

Oh, wow. Trump sounds like shit then. All right. This doesn't make Trump sound good. Here's what I got for you. Uh-huh. Mike Pamporio's next flavor. You know what? Has he put out an album? Ooh, that's a good point.

I don't want... Never mind. No. No, no, no. I walk it back. Change it. I don't need it.

No, no. I'm going to save it. I'm going to save this. Sure. Mike Pompeo Oreos. And then I'll watch like a speech that he gave at the Council of Foreign Relations. Okay. You know, I'll eat the Oreo while listening to him... I'll allow it....wh Wax on about foreign policy. That works. Look, that sounds bad.

It doesn't sound good.

I think, you know, you're trying to make a hero out of this Trump character. And I think that what you've shown is that he is weak and malleable and subordinate and maybe a fabulist. Yeah. You know, maybe he's telling you, oh, you don't even know. It's so crazy. Maybe he's a liar and weak.

Yeah. It does feel like a lot of the times what they do is they just say the worst possible things, but they make it sound like it's good.

If I look, I maybe I have a devil may care kind of streak to me. But if I am in Trump's position. I fuck around, accidentally become president. Sure. I find out about the JFK stuff and I'm willing to tell a dear, dear friend of mine that it's so horrible. Yeah. Oh, it's so horrible. The worst thing I've ever seen. I would risk my life to release that. And if the CIA had said, you can't do it, I would say well we're at an impasse and this is coming out yeah then you're dead

the cia kills the president all the time then i lie to pompeo there haven't even been four presidents who have ever made it to term they all get killed halfway through yeah replaced by a cia spy i

think that uh what uh roger is somewhat describing though not putting it this way is that Trump failed a test. Yes. Trump failed a very, very serious integrity test. Right. And we're trying to create the appearance that that is a sign of character. Right. And I think that sucks.

Right. No, I mean, in their world, showing moderation and restraint is not a sign of good moral character no

no it's the wrong move being convinced to not blow the lid off jfk uh assassination stuff uh at the behest of mike pompeo

is not a flex it would be really nice if they just got it out of our fucking system right it'd be nice if we were just fucking done with it. That's the only strong feeling

I have about the declassification stuff. When I said I didn't care earlier, I do mean that I don't particularly care. Right. But that argument that you're making is the only.

It's the only thing that makes it. What are we hiding? We've committed like two genocides since then. Move on. Right. Let's go. We've accepted whatever. And this like specter of what could

be in there is so fucking annoying and it allows alex and roger to play these games yeah so alex uh back in the day he interviewed lbj's uh mistress that sounds right and alex tells the story about it and then roger accidentally reveals that alex might be remembering a geraldo piece that he saw that

might be madeline duncan brown twice on my access tv show and once on my syndicated radio show in person she still lived here in austin she was the admitted main mistress of lbj had a son with him the main one and it was nice she i

mean he did have a lot like it was a dead ringer for lbj yeah but

she was record. This is not even debated. And she said she was there a few days before in Dallas, and he came in to have sex with her in the hotel room, and she told me this right there in the studio. And he said, that son of a bitch, Kennedy, will never embarrass me again when he gets here a few days. And then she heard him talking to other men saying, I want that son of a bitch dead.

All of that is accurate. It's interesting that I was in a green room with Geraldo Rivera at Fox. This was after I wrote my book. And I told him that I had seen his iconic interview with Madeline Brown, in which she tells him that the night before the assassination, she had an assassination with LBJ in the Fort Worth Hotel. And he squeezed her hand. What a similar story. Tomorrow, I won't have to put up with those Irish sons of bitches ever again.

Yeah, that's the exact quote. And she told me that. We got to find the video.

And when I asked Geraldo about he said who's madeline brown he's

done a lot of stuff and i haven't yeah yeah that's almost insulting i i mean to say it to alex's face instead of just going with how about that right going with how about that right i

think that there's something to be said for like, oh, yeah, you know, after you did that interview, she was also on Geraldo or something like that. But to retell the exact story and refer to it as something that happened in an iconic Geraldo interview.

Yeah. The use of the word iconic is incredibly insulting. He chose that word very specifically. Yeah. I think there's

a passive aggression at very least that's at play

here he should give out pens you've just been rat fucked by stone you know like just boom there you go i said iconic bam there you go you got fucked that's the way you should do it that's the smart way he had those autographed stones yeah but that's really fucking stupid and he should be embarrassed about that i have one of them a

listener sent me one yeah

no i understand but you didn't come up with the idea of signing a rock no

but it's a good idea if your name's stone is it yeah oliver stone did it did he yep god damn it people with the name stone got to get their shit together his son who i've forgotten his name but is on an info ward sometimes Stone, not a

very creative groupage

of names. So we got one last clip here and it's Alex trying to get into the weeds with Roger about this helicopter story. And Roger doesn't

care. What do you make of this helicopter thing? I had a bunch of FAA experts on. They say none of it makes sense. If you look at how all this works, stuff was turned off. This is the most busy airspace in North America, and this helicopter for minutes are saying, stop, stop, stop. It's like flying around in the flight path. What the hell is that? Well,

first of all, we have to pray for all those victims of both aircrafts. The whole thing is so horrific, just horrific. In all honesty, today, because of our great show last night, I've been completely immersed in JFK, RFK, and MLK because of the media inquiries that our show last night generated. So I've read a little bit about this. My son, as you know, is a very accomplished pilot. He told me, Dad, something's not right here, but I haven't had a chance to have an extensive conversation with him.

Well, as soon as you're able, I want to have you hit any other points, but I love the fact the president really liked last night's show too. I heard that, yes, I heard that. From

who? Well,

I'm just, I mean, I'm flattered that he was watching. Look,

the president is a big fan of yours, Alex. He knows that you've stuck with him through thick and thin. He took in some criticism. I remember when I first went to you, we met during the JFK memorial celebrations. And I said to you, you know what, Donald Trump's going to be president. And you said, well, you know, Ted Cruz is a Texan. He's been talking to me. And I've been thinking about maybe supporting him. I'm not that political, really. And I said, Alex, Donald Trump is going to be president. And you have huge influence with Republican primary voters because the giant audience of conservatives who watch Infowars. And if anyone will read my book, The Making of the President 2016, which you can find at stonezone.com no that's

totally true but i'd met you a few years before to another jfk deal but i remember you saying i'm coming to austin trust me he's being the president and i knew you were a serious guy i said well come on and you got me on board this is like

steve pachanek telling alex like i've misled you for 20 years the whole thing i'm fascinated by the energy difference between the two of them, though. Like, Roger knows he's connected to Trump, and so he kind of has a little bit of big dick energy. Sure, sure, sure. You know, there's a little bit of, like, I don't have to prove anything.

He's very relaxed,

yeah. And Alex is desperate to demonstrate this connection and use Roger to validate it.

Yeah, his desperation is delectable.

Yep, both delectable and loud. Yes. So also, the way he's describing their relationship is shady. Roger is telling Alex that Trump is going to win, so he should get on board. Like, it sounds more like a negotiation than trying to get someone to support a candidate.

A little bit, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is bad. I mean, boy, just hearing the words like, oh, you were telling me I'm not very political. Like, wow. The Infowars guy? Yep, yep, yep. Not very political, huh? The guy who worked for Pat Buchanan's campaign before he was on the air and tried to

get Ron Paul elected i don't really care about ted cruz you just never know how would the president coincidence how would the presentation on alex's show in 2015 have been different if he was like i'm talking i'm a hired gun i'm talking to ted cruz about maybe supporting his campaign but hey this roger stone guy is coming around and he's making some pretty compelling points uh I'm up for grabs. How would that be different than the way he actually tried to present himself on air?

Well, because his whole thing is everybody else takes a big bag of money to say whatever it is that they're saying to you. And it would look real bad if he said, I took a big bag of money to say this to you. Right. And a metaphorical

big bag of money.

It might not even be money. Not even big enough. Validation. Whatever amount it was not big enough.

Hey, Roger, will you play along while I pretend that I'm Trump's best friend? Oof. Yeah, sure, I'll do that

for you. I got that. Yeah. Yep, you will be close to power. Yeah. You've always wanted legitimacy. It has been given to you. And then like the ironic

genie wishes of old. Ted Cruz isn't going to give a fuck about you. Nope. I'll still come on and be passive aggressive with you and give you a pen.

Yeah. You got to get pens. That's the way to go. Yeah. Man. It really adds insult to injury if you get handed a pen. Because a card, sure, but that could be anything. A pen, that's a man who's got 48 cents to

spend. And you should probably make it like a funny font on

the pen. If anything, it should reveal a naked Roger Stone whenever you

flip it over. Oh, that would be good. That's the way to do it. That would be good. That's our next merch.

Yep. Naked Roger Stone pens. That's the way to do it. Welcome to the Stone bone zone

right yep uh so anyway there's a lot going on in the world and i feel like we are not capturing not here a great deal of it not here i feel like there's almost like an ability to cover a thing you know like there was the plane crash and alex was able to try and struggle with that. I was looking through a list of Trump's executive orders and shit, and it's just baffling the amount of stuff that is not being addressed on his show at all. Yeah, yeah. But what do you expect, I guess?

I mean, he doesn't have time to get into, am I sure that it was a coincidence? He doesn't have time for that. How could he get into 200 executive orders? Just not possible. Well,

do I think this is just the way things work in a complex world?

Do I think it is?

I think that's something that if he did the level of preparation that he pretends to, he maybe should have come to a conclusion before getting on air about that.

You know, but that's the thing about this funny mixed up world of ours. Yeah. So complicated. It is. He didn't have time.

No, he couldn't think about whether cause and effect is a thing.

Normally he has time, but this time, out of nowhere. Coincidence. So

anyway, we'll be back with another episode. See where, oh, we might get into February. Ooh, very

exciting.

bowl's around the corner getting there oh that'll be great yeah i'm looking forward to that uh so that'll be down the road but until then uh we have a website indeed we do it's knowledgefight.com yep we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dcx clark i am the mysterious professor and

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