Buck: People are nuanced. And that includes, i have banker friends who go against the stereotype of banker friends. But there's also, each of them holds a lot of different, varying views. They're much more nuance than they're not all good,. There's good and bad in everybody. Buck: I think we all need religion as basely provides two things. It provides the metaphysical and it also provides a regulation. Yet, scientism is a new religion.