I just really think that I have a lot of fun in doing what I do. There's ego that's associated with it, but like at the bottom of all this, I want us to create food that is causing a whole less harm. It doesn't have to be that way so that more than anything gets me through it. The conversations with Elon around going through bankruptcy and borrowing money and going through divorce and leveraging everything for Tesla and SpaceX back in 2008 has been extraordinary.

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