"I always take pride in taking my own counsel and Backing the companies that too many people seem like a fool's errand You know calm was one of those where they met with 80 investors or something like that They got 80 knows and I was like maybe the 81st and I said yes and it worked out. So for me Those are the most rewarding is when I make the contrarian bet When I make the bet that everybody else is afraid to make"

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