Categories Versus Bundles of Relations

Today I’m talking to Carl Benjamin about what people are calling “the right’s civil war” — and why the story most of us are being told might be missing the point.

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A lot of this conversation is about labels, loyalty tests, and what happens when movements turn inward: who gets cast out, who gets listened to, and how ordinary people end up pushed into tribes they don’t fully recognise. I’m not here to do propaganda for anyone - I’m here to understand what’s actually going on.

We cover:

- What “civil war on the right” even means (and what it doesn’t)

- Why factions form, escalate, and start purging allies

- How online incentives warp political identity and belonging

- The difference between “protecting a culture” and playing tribal status games

- What Carl thinks people get wrong about this moment

- If you disagree with either of us, I still want you here - but argue the point, not the person.

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Chapters:

0:00 Carl Benjamin Highlights

4:00 What “woke right” is (and why it’s used as gatekeeping)

8:00 Group claims: Israel as the analogy + demographic security

12:00 Representation, leadership, and why “who governs” matters

16:00 Civic vs ethnic Englishness (and why this gets slippery)

20:00 Grievances beyond immigration: economy, state intrusion, taxes

24:00 Tradition vs bureaucracy: jury trials, “24-hour courts” talk

28:00 Scapegoating minorities vs blaming English political elites

32:00 Categories vs “bundles of relations” (community as the unit)

36:00 When relations break down: resentment, “colonies,” dual loyalties

40:00 What counts as “authoritarian”? Quotas vs visa reversal

44:00 The “Boris wave” argument + welfare resentment example

48:00 “How do you get people to assimilate?” (and is it too late?)

52:00 Greta Thunberg comparison: activism that demands, not solves

56:00 “Should England be governed by English people?” (definition fight)

1:00:00 Foreign-born MPs + why rules might change

1:04:00 Recognition politics: what woke left/right each “gets right”

1:08:00 Victimhood lens + stereotypes / everyday risk judgments

1:12:00 Flags, pride, assimilation vs multiculturalism

1:16:00 “Love other cultures — just not here” + preserving civic life

1:20:00 What would it take to reverse course? Parliament + repeal logic

1:22:48 A Heretic Carl Admires

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