It was a controversy because he was building it in the Netherlands and it was going to have to be brought out through Rotterdam. The more money you have, the more power you get even though it goes against principles of the city. Eventually they found a way of getting his boat through with the masts down. But for a moment it was this fairly acute demonstration of the collision of these different values. And is that how you have the most impressive boat? Is it just bigger and bigger or is it also what's on board?

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