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Who says HTML and CSS aren't real programming?

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i've thought about this a lot as well, because you see this debate flare up on twitter with a thousand long threads all the time. And from my perspective, i think that that whole debate comes from the fact that when you're talking about like pure h tm l c s s and jarva script, a lot of the kind of, like, o g programming concepts are not readily available to people who don't know how to use them. It's just like a newer subset of programming that is still incredibly difficult, incredibly complex when you start building so hard new things. So i think that's kind of where the argument stamds wromg, but it doesn't mean

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