Does the Dobs Decision Help or Hurt Democrats?

Ocaso: I don't think there's any question that helps democrats. Question is whether it helps democrats enough to overcome other, you know, the negative political environment in general. Sand: If you are in a state, ah, anything, but kind of like a staunchly blue state, you really need a democratic governor now because otherwise you're going to have a law that outlaws abortion. And i will say this, i am a little more optimistic than other peop i'm hearing. But at least from what i am seeing, you're seeing the sort of gra vity move in that direction"