Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Stack Overflow podcast. If you are in the United States or elsewhere where a big holiday is happening, I hope you're enjoying it. I am Ben Popper, Director of Content here at Stack Overflow. I am off on my Christmas and New Year's vacation. So we have recorded a couple of episodes for you that take some of the best bits of the episodes we've recorded all throughout 2024 and string them together kind of thematically. So today we are going to be sharing an episode about code generation. Is it making your code worse? Is it making it better? Will it replace junior engineers? How will it support engineers? All of that good stuff. The first clip you are going to hear is an interview with Tarek Shakhat. He is the co-CEO over at Sonar. You may know Sonar Cube, which was originally an open source project. And they've got a lot of other clean code solutions helping big organizations in the market. So without further ado, enjoy the interview with Tariq from Sonar. It's interesting to think about what different companies demand and how they would approach this. I was speaking recently with someone who was formerly at SpaceX and Starlink. And, you know, those companies obviously achieved some incredible results. But he also mentioned that the mentality of it's okay to fail, you know, comes from this idea of we're going to launch some rockets and some of them are going to crash. And that's going to teach us something. And that that even trickled all the way down to the software that the push from above was, you know, work as hard as you can, you know, be passionate about this. If you make mistakes and yeah, there's a bug or the site goes down, that's okay.